IRC log started Tue Mar 14 00:00:01 2000 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 2000.0314 -:- SignOff air: #TUNES (http://www.qzx.com/ :: sleep) -:- nate37 [nate37@ppp-206-117-27-122.dialup.pcmagic.net] has left #tunes [] -:- NetSplit: tolkien.openprojects.net split from varley.openprojects.net [01:19am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [tolkien.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: tolkien.openprojects.net varley.openprojects.net -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn119.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES ([x]chat) -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Plundis_ [plundis@130.238.23.252] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Plundis: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Plundis[130.238.23.252]) -:- Plundis_ is now known as Plundis -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (bbl) -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Fufie: #TUNES (restarting X) -:- _ruiner_ [DIY@ppp444.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (destroy what destroys you) -:- lar1 [larman@2Cust77.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes -:- smoke_ [smoke@15dyn119.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Read error to lar1[2Cust77.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net]: Connection reset by peer) -:- lar1 [larman@2Cust77.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smoke_: #TUNES (One day sheep will rule the world) -:- moeb [dlv@pandorasbox.resnet.mtu.edu] has joined #tunes wouldn't it be easier, to start writing TUNES within a "host" operating system, and then "work your way down", ie, replace functionality bit by bit untill there is nothing left, and everything right down to the bootloader is written in TUNES nevermind, i dont actually understand what i am talking about 01:30pm -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (:Connection reset by pear) -:- Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes moeb: i think that is o'top project. nobody is of course doing anything -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smoke[15dyn119.delft.casema.net]) is it pretty much decided that TUNEs will be lisp-like? smkl do you mean that o'top is the name of a project? 02:10pm moeb: can you propose something else that be easily implementable, and be neutral with respect to the diversity of pet syntaxes? moeb: see pliant Fare, i just started learning lisp, i dont understand it yet (as they say, it takes a bit understand lisp because it is so differnt). i understand OO programing. i use c++. "so different"? from what? like C was easy to learn, to begin with! and can OO programming be understood? Even the high-priests of OO don't understand it! as in, i get the syntax of lisp, obviously, its pretty simple. its the use and power of it that i dont claim to understand, because i havn't used it for one thing. i'm pretty sure i understad what i have read about OO analysis and design. 02:20pm what i was thinking is that, since lisp suports every programing paradigm (so the claim goes) I wasn't sure if it is nessisarily a good thing to have that sort of inconsistancy in a system. -:- smoke [smoke@16dyn10.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes as oposed to, perhaps, restricting it to just one paradigm across the board. maybe all will become clear after i have used lisp a little bit 02:30pm -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (One day sheep will rule the world) -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp159.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- smoke [smoke@16dyn10.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes it would make more sence to me as a system based on message passing and objects -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (z!) 03:10pm -:- SignOff moeb: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- tcn [r@cci-209150250072.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes -:- tcn_ [r@cci-209150250074.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes -:- tcn_ is now known as tcn__ -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES (Ping timeout for tcn[cci-209150250072.clarityconnect.net]) hello? -:- tcn__ is now known as tcn hey heh.. there's an interview with Bill Joy on NPR 03:50pm -:- rares [rares@wtrb-sh5-port75.snet.net] has joined #tunes abi, freenet? well, freenet is a censorproof distributed filesystem or at http://freenet.sourceforge.net -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Read error to lar1[2Cust77.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net]: Connection reset by peer) 04:30pm -:- lar1 [larman@2Cust77.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smkl[glubimox.yok.utu.fi]) -:- rares [rares@wtrb-sh5-port75.snet.net] has left #tunes [Segflossed] -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Read error to lar1[2Cust77.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net]: Connection reset by peer) -:- lar1 [larman@2Cust77.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes -:- water [water@tnt-10-16.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes Guten Tag, water yo Like Aphex Twin? who? A techno band hm "techno" => no Ah no they're not techno Oh? What are they? hell if i know, but techno is not the word for it seems like ambient from the faq Sweet hm ok ambient acid Whatever it is... I like it alot... at least what I have heard of it 06:20pm -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes hi smkl hey water * water/#tunes is writing up slate stuff 06:30pm -:- ult [ult@user-37kbapp.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #tunes hey ult 'lo all. * ult/#Tunes is pondering a completely virtualized forth I've been thinking a bit virtual? * lar1/#tunes imagings VF++ Forth is just as much an environment as a language That is -- the language is defined to support the environment you mean like abstract or high-level? No -- it's low level. so what's the virtual part? But you have keywords like 'next' and 'here', the way 'compile' works, for example. oh you mean readible words? Those primitive words are essential to Forth -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES (ircII EPIC4pre2 cLIeNUX. Can you say that?) i know But...what I mean for example, is making a forth that doesn't use here to add things to the head space Whose stack *can* be a list But it can *also* be a real machine stack. so embedded forth then? (in lisp)? No. Forth is embedded by nature. I want to take that out... water, it seems to me it would be pointless to implement a 'true' Forth in Lisp Simply because you'd do it the same way you'd do it in C or assembler. * water/#tunes ignores ult * ult/#Tunes bonks water * ult/#Tunes ponders 06:40pm I am going to have this pacman song stuck in my head for the rest of my life 07:10pm -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- _ruiner_ [DIY@ppp315.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes -:- water has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Tunes - A Free Reflective Computing System (http://www.tunes.org/) | Welcome, lurkers! :) -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (My damn controlling terminal disappeared!) dup dip da doo dah :) * lar1/#tunes is pissed though the roof i'm singing in forth words why? 08:20pm Just read /. That STS thing I was thinking "Hell yeah!" I wanna do this! Then I thought... "Whoops huh? sts? Looks like I _won't_ be getting any help from my poor exucse for a school!" Its a contest for highschool seniors oh it's a new article Yup that i filter Ah i filter a lot of /. Heh Why am I stuck with farmer school? Accually... its not _even_ that anymore Its a .... .... nothing magnet now... 08:30pm * water/#tunes contemplates behavioral reflection in slate Later! -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Leaving) 08:50pm -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (destroy what destroys you) -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Leaving) Fare can be such an ass 10:50pm he made such bald-faced arrogant comments to a newbie and then ignored him no wonder the tunes group is f***ed up 11:00pm -:- smoke [smoke@16dyn10.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes hey smoke have you been following tunes mail? 11:30pm -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (The Tao went that-a-way!) [msg(TUNES)] newlog 2000.0315 IRC log ended Wed Mar 15 00:00:01 2000