IRC log started Tue Mar 7 00:00:01 2000 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 2000.0307 -:- NetSplit: sterling.openprojects.net split from varley.openprojects.net [12:16am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [sterling.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: sterling.openprojects.net varley.openprojects.net -:- Plundis [plundis@130.238.23.252] has joined #tunes -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.dhs.org] by varley.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from turtledove.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is turtledove.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) (from turtledove.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 12 02:19 EDT(from turtledove.openprojects.net) -:- turtledove.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(2)] 0% -:- [global users on irc(308)] 44% -:- [invisible users on irc(399)] 56% -:- [ircops on irc(12)] 2% -:- [total users on irc(707)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(30)] (avg. 23 users per server) -:- [total channels created(279)] (avg. 2 users per channel) !turtledove.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 6 (5 clients) !turtledove.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 4 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- [Users(#tunes:5)] [ TUNES ] [ Plundis ] [ smkl ] [ air ] [ abi ] -:- Channel #tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 6.702 secs!! -:- Mode change [-ws] for user TUNES -:- smoke [smoke@16dyn188.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (away ...) -:- SignOff air: #TUNES (http://www.qzx.com/ :: sleep) -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smoke[16dyn188.delft.casema.net]) -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn243.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- water [water@tnt-9-31.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- water [water@tnt-9-31.tscnet.net] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes -:- Kaufmann [newbie@200.224.105.150] has joined #tunes hi gang 07:50am I'm off -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (A stranger is just an asshole you haven't met yet.) 08:50am -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us225.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- Fufie [stig@tunnel-44-33.vpn.uib.no] has joined #tunes Fufmann! Fare: ur listed here, http://wwwrzstud.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ua3m/dzu_hackers.html hi fare :) 11:30am hcf: Rats. Now I'll have to do my best to deserve it. who's that detlev zundel, anyway? * Fare/#Tunes is away p-commuting 11:40am Y2K alert! tunes mailing list archives are not Y2K compliant thats old news why it's not fixed then? dunno ask tril probly upgrading mhonarc would fix it 12:00pm -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us225.javanet.com]) -:- NetSplit: devlin.openprojects.net split from turtledove.openprojects.net [12:46pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [devlin.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: devlin.openprojects.net turtledove.openprojects.net -:- Plundis [plundis@130.238.23.252] has joined #tunes -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn243.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #tunes -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes -:- Fufie [stig@tunnel-44-33.vpn.uib.no] has joined #tunes -:- future [xdef@209-6-184-165.c3-0.wth-ubr1.sbo-wth.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff future: #TUNES (Read error to future[209-6-184-165.c3-0.wth-ubr1.sbo-wth.ma.cable.rcn.com]: EOF from client) -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp49.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- tcn [r@cci-209150250140.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes geez * eihrul/#tunes justs got a 20 page mail from a college he applied to. 19 pages were the cc: line 1/2 page was the actual message (there was a bug on their website) and there were 3 copies of it 02:50pm christ my thoughts exactly... though without the religious allusion :) you said geez heh.. it's all religious :) no... geez i take to be defined as slang for sheesh :) 03:00pm -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (:Connection reset by pear) -:- Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes Gakuk hey t c n ! allright, I got ssh and rsync ? openssh, I hope rsync not openssh, that was even worse! well, in a cron job, insert a rsync to bespin and a ssh to it that launches an appropriate cvs command in the background I found a binary of the original ssh uhh, I turn my computer off when I ain't using it 03:10pm binary distribution and security are not very compatible tcn: maybe just a script that you trigger manually, then sure * Fare/#Tunes has a server that's up 7 days/7 I'll only upload stuff that's not broken (I sometimes mistakenly reboot it by typing "telinit 0" into a ssh into it rather than into the local console) haha If you don't use cvs yourself, cvs import will provide with a track of your "official" releases while the rest of the world can use the cvs tree normally what's the "c" in tcn? -:- lar1 [larman@dialup-209.244.106.224.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #tunes your its.html page is once again reverted to an old version you'll laugh! Where have I put a copy of my lifted up version? tcn: haha. tcn: ok, I laughed already. Now you can tell. I thought I had the latest its.html it's Campbell.. my scotch ancestors' name italian, scotch, american. Bad bad bad. haha only about 1% american that's 1% too much. eh? Fare: Whats your grudge against Americans? I mean 1% native more like 1/16th I guess lar1: I don't know what they did to deserve it, but I'm sure _they_ do. 03:20pm Fare: You sterotype Americans, eh? more seriously, I don't have any grudge against any people. gringos! yeah, green go home! Gringo es muy tanto!! ;) tcn: what about the retro cvs ? tcn: you know, there's a way, with cvs, to tag a release as "working" so you can publish what you have, whenever you have it, yet distinguish "working" releases. fare, there are only a few files so what? and I intend to keep it working once it's working -:- ult [ult@user-38lc63l.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes hmmm -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Leaving) hey fare, I wrote a blockfile->html converter it indexes the block which begin a section -:- ult [ult@1Cust248.tnt5.nashville.tn.da.uu.net] has joined #Tunes yo! blockfile ? as in FORTH 1k blocks? yup my answer to cvsweb :) reminds me (yet again) of the FIRE project (OS in FORTH), and people considering ways to compress block files. I suggested "what about compressing by indicating with ASCII 10 that the rest of line is blank?" 03:30pm hehe my blockfile->textfile converter does that just sent you my its file. Just an update on the PCLSRing article, actually blockfile->textfile in FORTH? -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Ping timeout for ult[1Cust248.tnt5.nashville.tn.da.uu.net]) thanks fare * eihrul/#tunes boggles in awe of the beast known as Multics. yeah, all the Retro utils are in Forth how could they have possibly gone with Unix!?!? great so we can run them in Retro, or in gforth on bespin eihrul: unix would run an a 8KW 16-bit computer. Multics wouldn't. I'll just run the block->web thing in my cron on bespin Fare: gah... irrelevent now :) irrelevant? The whole UNIX design still stands! All the current system designed is inherited from those same assumptions. if only it weren't so bloated current implementations are just the UNIX design inflated and bloated and unix was designed for small hardware in its original resource availability constraints, the design made a lot of sense (not by far the one I'd have chosen -- POP-2 was MUCHO better) today, it's completely braindead pop-2? did you read the papers about the early days of POP ? Had it been free software, it could have becomes TUNES, long ago. POP-2 is the ancestor of POP-11. pop => ? abi: poplog? well, poplog is now freely available at ftp://ftp.cs.bham.ac.uk/pub/dist/poplog/freepoplog.html oh, that that's what I say maybe I should look at it :) 03:40pm the pop VM is really a typed and GCed FORTH. -:- Zagreus [jeff@zagreus.com] has joined #tunes Zag: hi. Do we know each other? I think typing should be avoided as confusing hey Fare.. dunno, maybe confusing? (the POP VM was typed as in LISP, not as in ML) hmm, ok I had a much more enhanced ITS page, btw, but it got clobbered by your site update I hate these arbitrary type distinctions like char vs. short vs. long fare: warn me next time ;) well, next time, I'll keep my local version! tcn: LISP hasn't char vs short vs long. It only has indefinite-length integers. I believe so has the POP VM, but I'm not so sure. I read on comp.lang.lisp that during the 1987 krach, some financial software written in C/C++/FORTRAN had their data overflow and/or wrap around, while LISP financial software would just gracefully convert numbers from sysnum to bignum. what are the types in lisp? string, integer, real, list? tcn: in the beginning, so was it (well, with symbol instead of string) -:- Zagreus [jeff@zagreus.com] has left #tunes [] nowadays, CL has a shitload of types, and you can define more with the class system. what are good links about cybernethics? smkl: if you find them, tell me. My own portal is http://fare.tunes.org/articles/cybernethics.html (look at pointers in the end of it) 03:50pm oops, I realize that a GREAT author who really grokked the whole thing is not listed yet in there the author is F.A. Hayek his book "Law, Legislation and Liberty" is really about just that. and he knew it. too bad the guy died a few years ago (1992?) 04:00pm -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (z) -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES (Ping timeout for tcn[cci-209150250140.clarityconnect.net]) -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smkl[glubimox.yok.utu.fi]) -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- lar1 [lar1@dialup-209.244.106.224.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #tunes -:- ult [ult@user-38lc639.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes hmm * ult/#Tunes pokes eihrul 06:30pm -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Ping timeout for eihrul[usr5-ppp49.lvdi.net]) -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp49.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- lnweb [user2624@ip27.san-antonio8.tx.pub-ip.psi.net] has joined #tunes -:- lnweb [user2624@ip27.san-antonio8.tx.pub-ip.psi.net] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- lar1 [lar1@dialup-209.244.106.224.SanJose1.Level3.net] has left #tunes [] -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn243.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes smoke: u know any C? 11:30pm -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES ([x]chat) [msg(TUNES)] newlog 2000.0308 IRC log ended Wed Mar 8 00:00:01 2000