IRC log started Mon Jun 7 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0607 -:- SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) -:- lar1 [lar1@1Cust4.tnt1.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes hey hoy 12:20am -:- lar1 [lar1@1Cust4.tnt1.sfo3.da.uu.net] has left #tunes [] <~yoda> time was long with no see, yes -:- lar1 [lar1@1Cust4.tnt1.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes lar1: <~yoda> time was long with no see, yes heh Do you know how to get fetchmail to filter _after_ my mail is in the inbox? why not use procmail? oh, thats what I ment, procmail I got 1,000+ messages that were downloaded before procmail was configuered... now I need them filtered so I can manage them hav u rtfm'd? Yes, the manpage gave some script to use, but when I used it... nothing happened, so I rm'ed the script :) * hcf/#tunes doesnt know procmail, but assumes u can say `procmail jump thru hoops` and hav success ask #linppl I did No one is very resposive right now then I went to #debian oh well, I'll just ask #linpeople tommarow... heh this isnt really the time of day to hav trouble thats true wernt u gonna do some thing(s) for tunes? yes, I was gonna orginize those docs _QZ uploaded and hows ur os, raven (wasnt it?) ? Yup, its.. uuhhh, going... the more I read on how to do things the more I find out I just need to get a book on OS design sounds somewhat like ur in a simular boat as hickserv (who frequents #tunes) Most likely well, if dont ask dumb questions (like hickserv sometimes does) s/if/if u/ then #tunes would be good for u 12:30am I had it all planed, until pmode, then I replaned, until paging, then I came up with a sketchy plan... until multitasking... now I'm afraid I'm lost semaphores and that TSS thing are way above and beyone me then make a real mode os ;) heh, right that I could do quite quickly Well, I need sleep. Big day tommarow nite later -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (ircII2.8.2-EPIC3.004 --- Bloatware at its finest.) 12:40am -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-147.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes nice and quiet here, i see. 01:30am -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[ppp-tnt-147.tscnet.net]) -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-200.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[ppp-tnt-200.tscnet.net]) -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-234.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (The Tao has left the building!) -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.dhs.org] by clarke.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from clarke.openprojects.net: Success -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server clarke.openprojects.net [refnum 1] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES -:- Your host is clarke.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 13 24:47 EDT -:- clarke.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(5)] 100% -:- [global users on irc(3)] 60% -:- [invisible users on irc(2)] 40% -:- [ircops on irc(0)] 0% -:- [total users on irc(5)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(1)] (avg. 5 users per server) -:- [total channels created(6)] (avg. 0 users per channel) !clarke.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 23 (22 clients) !clarke.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! 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Hey Fare :) How are you this fine morning... or afternoon I guess over there:) /ctcp Fare time Thank you, up to this point, I've been guessing based on what people tell me their timezone is :) Fare: So what have you been up to today? writing that damn article Fare: Which one? Which one is probably better? abi: thanks Fare: bitte Beholder: one on the formalization of the notion of an implementation Fare: For Tunes? 08:00am for Tunes in particular but IMNSHO an interesting paper for CS in general 08:10am Sounds interesting, I'll definatly read it when its done :) 08:40am I hope I'll have a readable version by tonight * Fare/#Tunes is away 08:50am -:- SignOff Beholder: #TUNES (Read error to Beholder[ppp-007.m4-1.osh.ican.net]: EOF from client) -:- iStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has joined #Tunes -:- NetSplit: sterling.openprojects.net split from clarke.openprojects.net [10:47am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [sterling.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: sterling.openprojects.net clarke.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #TUNES -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-225-79.s333.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #TUNES -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #TUNES -:- iStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has joined #TUNES -:- ServerMode/#TUNES [+o Tril] by koontz.openprojects.net -:- binEng [Anders@dialup46-2-45.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.dhs.org] by clarke.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from clarke.openprojects.net: Success -:- Use /Server to connect to a server -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from sterling.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is sterling.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) (from sterling.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 15 12:37 EDT(from sterling.openprojects.net) -:- sterling.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(7)] 2% -:- [global users on irc(128)] 36% -:- [invisible users on irc(223)] 64% -:- [ircops on irc(13)] 4% -:- [total users on irc(351)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(32)] (avg. 10 users per server) -:- [total channels created(103)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !sterling.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 13 (9 clients) !sterling.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 2 ca 1(2) ft 14(14). -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- [Users(#Tunes:6)] [ TUNES ] [ binEng ] [@Tril ] [ AlonzoTG ] [ Fare ] [ iStormy ] -:- Channel #Tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 7.065 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Leaving) * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 17 hrs 14 min 41 secs Tril! enjoy logging lots of sessions onto bespin? 11:30am -:- s_r [s_rr@phila-dialup353.nni.com] has joined #TUNES -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us321.javanet.com] has joined #tunes who's awake? * Tril/#TUNES mostly mostly awake hav u read the log? which one probablyt not for ~12hrs b4 now im still reading the log from the 5th ;) i know answer to lar1's q i have a question about pmode segments and paging? err i have a question about pmode segments and paging. that's nice :) Tril: read the concept map part (of the log) 12 hours ago spans 2 logs, correct? not sure probly since it was 2am for me, probly 11p for TUNES anyway i dont see a discussion, just you posting a url Tril: do u know what a concept map is? sure that's what tunes is gonna be :) which is why we keep saying tunes is what we really want for the web page. but i plan to hack up something resembling what we need using Mot-2, or try to today or the next day cool is a memory location added as an offset to a segment any time there is a memory access and the CS and DS are set to valid segments in pmode? if paging is set. are they still added as offsets? what do you mean by a memory location concept map, semantic network, semantic framework <-- how if at all do they differ? like if I have 'mov ax, 0x10003213 mov [ax], 0x10' 0x10003213 is interpreted as ... if paging is set it's an index to a page table but if DS is set too 11:50am s_r: memory is accessed using offset to a segment ALWAYS. That's why they call it "overriding" when you specify a segment, it means override the default of cs or ds * Fare/#Tunes is away (dinner) tril even in pmode? hcf: /ctcp TUNES time In paging with flat memory model, you just leave the same segment in the segment register all the time Fare right? >>> hcf [nef@me-portland-us321.javanet.com] requested TIME from TUNES ok, thanks, tril! Tril hey are you coding TUNES right now? Tril: only one session, under screen Fare: yeah, 3hr diff, as i thot s_r right now? no. (but sif it satys idle too long, it dies, so I must reconnect) s_r it's kind of on the back burner hmmm when will tunes get coded? Tril: rigtho (except when changing priviledge) * Tril/#TUNES plans to take an exam in 1 hour. Then 2 projects will be worked on before I go back to tunes coding. 1) Database-izing tunes web. 2) cracking the map format for Zelda 1 * Fare/#Tunes is away (me hungry) go back? it's already started? s_r, I'm working on some experimental coding that I hope will become tunes. tril where can i see it? Tril: tunes.lsp right? s_r, http://www.tunes.org/~dem/tunes/lisp/tunes.lsp (hcf guessed it) s_r: plz give abi a factoid for 'endokernel' (abi: endokernel is blah blah) an endokernel is the idea of a kernel in each process Tril: concept map, semantic network <-- how if at all do they differ? endokernel is the idea of a kernel in each process i already had it that way, s_r. endokernel? endokernel is the idea of a kernel in each process she trims off the 'an' and processes depend on each other similar to the NoKernel concept hcf are you browsing the logs? s_r: Did you invent this concept? tril: not really, i based the idea on exokernel, nokernel etc But you coined the word. s_r: i'v read the part where to entered #tunes u seemingly didnt talk much after that tril: i guess, but people could say it's exactly like an exokernel, nokernel, etc s_r: I just searched all the engines listed on dmoz.org and they all found 0 results! i just like calling it an endokernel :) hcf I don't know how they differ feel free to point me to some research about them.. 12:00pm tril: what are you talking about now -:- SignOff iStormy: #TUNES (Ping timeout for iStormy[rain.futuresouth.com]) concept map, semantic network, semantic framework <-- how if at all do they differ? Tril: there seems to be quite a lot of "research" c-map nodes dont seem to be reflective (by the stuff iv found so far) -:- Tril has changed the topic on channel #Tunes to: Reflective Computing System || Concept maps, semantic networks hasnt Fare done research on this already? if not, i'm sure water has to me, answers from water r often more confusing than the questions Oh, "done" research. I thought you meant "read research". Not that it be much different from "semantics", but at least I've studied formal notions of semantics. date? somebody said date was Mon Jun 7 12:09:54 1999 12:10pm not the current date, fool thats from 1999.0605 Tril: I am going to write an OS called "TUNEZ" :) it will be a tunes work-alike ;) tunez is a tunes workalike s_r: ok. seriously, what kind of work has to be done on Tunes? What can I do? let's see.. contributing to Review by reviewing languages and oses is one thing Tril: hav any 'Robinson diagram' urls w/ examples? * hcf/#tunes feels like he's playing go fish is tunes going to be LISP based? s_r: no hcf: no s_r: basically, go thru the site's page, do things on the TODO lists s_r: oops, meant that for hcf s_r: maybe maybe a boot loader should be made? bootloader is lll thus tcn's area s_r: perhaps u would want to join tcn's subproject retro? i heard retro was at http://bespin.cx/~tcn/retro.html and forth s_r: you'll have to be more specific about your quesiton, what do you mean "lisp based"? If you mean built on top of lisp, then yes, the one I'm writing now is on top of Common LISP. Fare also wants to write TUNES starting with Scheme (a dialect of lisp). The finished tunes won't necessarily be like lisp, but you will be able to run lisp in tunes (as well as many other languages) Tril: i figured what i was trying to say the other day about abi when asked a question w/o direct addressing, if she doesnt "know" she wont reply * Tril/#TUNES thinks the lisp question sounds good for a FAQ i think i'll start programming a kernel thread for the processes ;) like in retro but more NoKernelish when asked a question w direct addressing, if she doesnt "know" she will reply w/ a "i dont know" sort of thing 12:20pm and a non-direct-addr question directly following a direct-addr question is direct-enough-addr'ing, thus gets the "i dont know" sort of reply hcf: If asked without direct addressing she seems to always answer when she knows Tril: right but doesnt do a "i dont know" unless it was proceded by a direct-addr what is that 5 seconds? yeah ~5 secs * hcf/#tunes would hav to look at the code to see for sure hcf go to http://www.tunes.org/Tunes-FAQ.html, tell me which section "Is tunes going to be LISP-based?" should go in. or a new section off the top o' my head, "implementation" ok i stuck that as a new section at the end. -:- SignOff s_r: #TUNES (Read error to s_r[phila-dialup353.nni.com]: Connection reset by peer) Tril: exam-time? half hour 12:30pm -:- _ruiner_ [nate@ppp331.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes hi ruiner <_ruiner_> hi salut, _ruiner_ <_ruiner_> whats up? oh, one more final test before this quarter is finished heh, putting "Robinson diagram" in alta, the 3rd hit is the arrow paper and thers only 3 hits total take out the quotes same result i think the order is random. arrow is first of 3 for me I typed Robinson diagram and got 817060 pages word count: diagram: 682501; Robinson: 858858 maybe they're unrelated, but who knows? im gonna wait and ask water for urls i'm not going to help search for it right now i'm reading hackernews abi hackernews is http://hackernews.com/ Tril: i dont expect u to search for it, i know ur uber-busy 12:40pm <_ruiner_> heh heh heh....I'm teaching a 14 year old the binary numbering system they should teach hexadecimal in high school <_ruiner_> they should teach how to do your taxes in high school too <_ruiner_> but they don't <_ruiner_> they don't teach binary either hmm they taught us to balance a checkbook in high school. <_ruiner_> yeah.....big deal <_ruiner_> they taught us freshman year.....so by the time I had a checking account I couldn't remember any of it taxes are too hard to teach anyone. tax software is nice <_ruiner_> sounds like the tax code needs to change then <_ruiner_> taxes should be easy enough that any 8th grader can do them easily <_ruiner_> cuz there are people out there with 8th grade level intelligence <_ruiner_> I'm talking adults...not actual 8th graders levels of intelligence are a fallacy 12:50pm <_ruiner_> no they aren't, go to your local bar <_ruiner_> and just sit and listen -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) you'll have a hard time defining an "8th grade level intelligence" without committing some kind of discrimination. -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes <_ruiner_> ah......true or even saying it in the first place! * Tril/#TUNES is away: (test) [BX-MsgLog Off] -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (Leaving) * Fare/#Tunes is back Fare: read the scroll (or log) of the above, the semantic network / concept map stuff 01:00pm Fare: is that little languages url in the review pages? -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Read error to AlonzoTG[216-164-225-79.s333.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com]: Connection reset by peer) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-231-75.s329.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes 01:10pm it's in VMs.html ok I know no semantic network. I heard the word long ago, but don't remember where operational semantics, denotational semantics, natural semantics, abstract interpretation, that I know. http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?semantic+network if it's on foldoc, I'll just use dict :) to each their own hum. dict "semantic network" won't work. Maybe it doesn't grok compound words? try it w/ plus instead of space * hcf/#tunes guesses see also: http://www.to.utwente.nl/user/ism/lanzing/cm_home.htm 01:20pm anyway, the foldoc entry (on the wbe) isn't very helpful noun-nodes (concepts) connected via verb-links (relationships) looks stupidly primitive -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) n-ary relations with n>2 are a real PITA to emulate with binary relations -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@209-122-205-2.s2.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes (although I know of people who've been doing lots of things based on triples (object,attribute,value), which amounts mostly to the same (except that's it's more symmetrical) (AND it's reflective) anyway, my original mention of 'concept map' was for use as a sitemap view of course, one of the first thing these people built was emulation of more elaborate structures on top of triples there's already a sitemap, isn't it? feel free to improve it! 01:30pm do u have an alias for that line? ;) -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (I HATE GPF!!!) wd wgich line? 'feel free to improve it!' -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-243-139.s139.tnt11.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes 01:40pm * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 1 hrs 12 min 8 secs * Fare/#Tunes is back too hcf: well, no, but the lag may be such that you see it appear short after previous message 02:20pm -:- _ruiner_ [nate@ppp097.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes <_ruiner_> zo! 03:10pm li! _ruiner_? _ruiner_ is a script kiddy howdy? <_ruiner_> am not <_ruiner_> I haven't done anything no, _ruiner_ is not you need to adress abi directly to do that use abi: or /msg abi _ruiner_? i guess _ruiner_ is not that what you wanted Fare? yup _ruiner_: what are you? 03:20pm ruiner: beware of the dark side of the Source. stay on the light side. Tril: did our brazilian pal solve his problems? Well, if you mean jecel, he has an account on bespin now Kaufmann, no (jecel's mail has been bouncing a lot so I made him use pop3 to get his mail from bespin) maybe Brazil just has generally crappy ISPs? I have no worries for jecel: he's a grown man! it wasnt worry for him I was tired of deleting bounce messages that's not what I meant, but lo! i'm not sure what you meant. well, that the friend for whom I may worry is not Jecel. Kaufmann is his name. I think he needs to download the tunes snapshot and read it at home. <_ruiner_> lol I sent him the TUNES glossary as an attachment... * Fare/#Tunes wonders how much his next domain name registration bill will be... did you register directly with internic? or some other company? you only have one domain, right? internic had monopoly, in these days... only one domain, righto well, you could always pay some other company to deal with internic for you. most ISPs would register domains for their customers. internic still does have a monopoly on the database :( 03:30pm yeah, for even more money than internic... plus when you do that in France, it's even WORSE yes, but they have a useful service. Dealing with Internic is a pain. <_ruiner_> hmmmmmmm <_ruiner_> question...... question is where to start. this effort may require re-defining old terms, hopefully, competition will mean quality and low price domains should cost $35/yr now instead of $50, though. or did you already have one bill at that price? <_ruiner_> is microsoft considered to be on the light side of the source? instead of $100, you mean! $100 for the first 2 years, sir oh maybe you won't be billed yet? ruiner: microsoft is definitely on the dark side of the source! (well, in as much as the Source is with them, which doesn't seem to be much the case) -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) 03:40pm * Fare/#Tunes must speak for 90' sunday about the social & economical model of free software '? minutes ok Uh who's listening? <_ruiner_> I'm not so sure about that fare... <_ruiner_> I think ms might be on the light side <_ruiner_> they're just the jar jar binks of the programming world anyone coming to the french "Cite des Sciences" * Tril/#TUNES senses much fear in Microsoft the big multi-museum in Paris about Sciences <_ruiner_> now if we were talking business practices....man....billy boy makes palpatine look like kermit the frog We must not fear Microsoft -- the Source is not with them, anyway <_ruiner_> heh heh.... <_ruiner_> I'm gonna go watch tv for a while....catch you in an hour or so -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (Leaving) They are still powerful, though, and they should still be fought to contain their damage to the world 03:50pm -:- s_r [s_rr@phila-dialup420.nni.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff s_r: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- HickServ [thrustit@209-68-229-133.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes halo all hola a todos como estas? regular y tu fare bueno? malo tengo demasiado cosas que escribir demasiado? que parte de "demasiado" no entiendes? er all of it todos Tril: maybe add at the end of the FAQ pointers to documents to understand Tunes... such as what's in the papers section of the sitemap... what does demasiado mean? too much too many much mucho TOO much so you have more papers than you can write? yreah ok my spanish is pretty shakey :( 04:10pm how many and which languages do you speak fare? I speak french and english I kind of read spanish I know a bit of vietnamese i see im getting better at speaking spanish reading is easier though * HickServ/#tunes is learning spanish in german lots of stuff to remember when did you start leanring english fare? 04:20pm -:- _ruiner_ [nate@ppp377.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes hahaha i love to hear kiddies prettend that they even know what linux is <_ruiner_> what do you mean? <_ruiner_> and correct me if I'm wrong, but you're a kiddie yourself aren't you? in high-school, loooong ago. I stopped before the end of high-school. (took computing and music as "options" to my "baccalaureat") yes i am a "kiddie" only by your standards <_ruiner_> lol <_ruiner_> and do you think I treat you unfairly because of it? -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes YES! hola QZ <_ruiner_> I disagree <_ruiner_> in fact, I've only known you a short time, and I've known your age for a small amount of that well i don't see you giving me that many problems im just joken around 04:40pm <_ruiner_> uhhuh <_ruiner_> damned kids <_ruiner_> ;-p er yeah fucking little punks are always getting in my way <_ruiner_> lol IIIIIID - --- -- (: IIIIIID (: IIIIII(: IIII(: IIIIIIIID (: -:- smoke [smoke@7dyn183.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes hi <_ruiner_> hi hi, _ruiner_ <_ruiner_> hi niihau, _ruiner_ <_ruiner_> hi <_ruiner_> abi: abi? i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik or an Artificial Idiot or braindead or a crack addict infoslut hi ruiner blowjob? i heard blowjob was IIIIIID (: IIIIIID(: III(: IIIIIID -- -- - (: ah abi is learning the facts of life <_ruiner_> oh man.... <_ruiner_> why'd you have to do that? 04:50pm um for entertainment i guess someone might try that sometime especially Fare ;) -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (One day sheep will rule the world) the Art of Assembly so 0wnz where is it? you mean, the book by M. Abrash or such? um methinks i do but i'd have to look it talks about all the fine details in the x86 though the LO and HO, the pre fetch, pipelining LO? HO? LO byte and HO byte what's that? you know odd and even addresses yes yes so what? rumour has it so what is my problem well sorry mr knowitall you mean HI perhaps? no 05:00pm i mean HO what does the O stand for? or are you talking about opcode encoding? no i don't know orgasm mabye <_ruiner_> are you talking high order and low order? yeah :) order that's it -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Read error to AlonzoTG[216-164-243-139.s139.tnt11.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com]: Connection reset by peer) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-241-17.s17.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes wb alonzo <_QZ> Fare: art of assembly is a printed and online book. there is a link to it on my page under help yeah 05:10pm <_QZ> its the best tutoiral for a beginner yes it is some of the hardware concepts are a bit tricky at first but they help a lot <_QZ> well i cant comment on it cuz i havent read it myself :) it's really good what is the higest clock speed you can find on a pentium pro? <_QZ> 200? hmmmm how far can you overclock them? <_QZ> hardware tip: do NOT buy the amptron slot1/370 board <_QZ> the amptron socket 7 board is ok but not the slot1/370 board <_QZ> it uses the Xcel2000 chipset (intel 440 clone) <_QZ> and it will make the system half the speed of any other board qz concentrate how high can you overclock a pentium pro? <_QZ> 200? QZ: ok, so it's indirectly in the Asm HOWTO <_QZ> Fare: ya u should move it directly into the howto i'll look around QZ: too late for current release <_QZ> HickServ: the ppro has onchip cache that makes it hard to verclock <_QZ> why do u want a ppro? well i thought mabye i could get dual ppro 05:20pm <_QZ> hahaha <_QZ> do u know what they sell for? :( no? <_QZ> ppro runs its cache at the cpu clock like the mendicino QZ: If you would take over maintenance of the pointer section, go ahead... <_QZ> so a ppro is faster than a p2 for servers and since they are alos not made anymore they are in high demand QZ: see latest version in http://tunes.org/~fare/files/asm/ <_QZ> Fare: i only saw sgml in there? sure. You may compile it yourself! oh i thought they were still made bummer to your favorite format, with sgml2XXX i don't want a pentium <_QZ> u will pay more than its worth for a dual ppro board and chips QZ: you mean even newer PII's are slower than PPro's at serving? <_QZ> dont get a ppro unless u plan on running a highload server I'm amazed ok what's your opinion of the pentium for dual? <_QZ> Fare: no <_QZ> but ppro dont cost $700 either <_QZ> do petnium boards have local cache for each pentium? i don't know <_QZ> what are u gonna use the machine for? general linux box what else <_QZ> uhh <_QZ> and why is it u need dual? performance and cost <_QZ> a petnium mmx 262 is fast and a celeron 463 is plenty fast i want the best combo <_QZ> most stuff on linux isnt multithreaded and it wont take advantage of dual