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[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0322
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ωνω Topic for #TUNES: My paper was rejected from Reflection'99 :( http://www.tunes.org/~fare/tmp/ 
ωνω topic set by Fare [Mon Mar 22 07:52:11 1999]
ωνω [Users(#Tunes:4)] 
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<Tril> Fare: hello
<Tril> I am rebooting bespin to try debian 2.1 now.
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!lilo:*! *sings* 'We all live in a yellow submarine, Herbert'
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<Tikiman> boy, active channel
07:40pm
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<_QZ> hola
<tcn> como estas?
<_QZ> i have this problem
<tcn> ?
<_QZ> @home says its now available in my area
<tcn> what's @home, again?
<_QZ> cable modem
<_QZ> isdn and dsl will never ever become available in my area
<_QZ> well they might after every home in america is equiped with a T3 and isdn/dsl is obsolete
<tcn> haha
<_QZ> but for now they will never exist here
<tcn> I'm interested in joining a radio network
<_QZ> how much?
<tcn> You realize how much bandwidth you can get on radio? And you can transmit 30-50 miles on microwave..
<_QZ> direcPC is too much
<_QZ> uhh microwave is not radio
<tcn> They have 'homebrew' radio networks in a few cities
<tcn> microwave is UHF radio
<tcn> or SHF or EHF, or whatever
<_QZ> microwave is microwave, radio is rf
<tcn> they have lower-bandwidth, non-directional networks around 800mhz, and 10+ mbps microwave dish links as hubs
<tcn> If everyone used ASCII 33.6 would kick ass
09:00pm
<_QZ> i wanna go up into the mountains and setup a little camoflauged laser relay tower. and then bounce a beam off it to my isp and see if they would let me tap into their network for cheap :)
<tcn> What if someone walks in front of it?
<tcn> Will birds get their wings cut off?
<tcn> jk
<_QZ> that why i would put the tower on the top of the mountain
<tcn> low power laser
<_QZ> fuck no
<_QZ> u need high power
<tcn> just use microwave, then
<_QZ> its like 30 miles away
<tcn> light is too fussy, now that I think about it. Haze will get in the way.
<_QZ> laser is better
<tcn> Faster, yeah. Reliable, long range, no. You have to aim it *just right*
<_QZ> aiming is ez
<_QZ> telescope is all ya need
<tcn> haha
<tcn> What if you miss?
<_QZ> my neighbor has a freakin monster telescope
<tcn> uhh, what if someone looks into the beam?
<_QZ> i could count yer nose hairs with his telescope
<_QZ> how is some1 gonna look into it?
<tcn> what diameter is it?
<_QZ> and why the hell would i be using a visible laser???
<tcn> IR? UV? that shit's dangerous
<_QZ> :)
<tcn> Why use something like that for transmitting data, when you could use it as a weapon?
<tcn> he
<tcn> heh
<_QZ> i can just see it, i use a red laser and the first time we get haze there is this nice red streak across the sky :)
<_QZ> from my house to the mountain top and down to my isp
<_QZ> that would look real good
<tcn> jumbo jet gets cut in half on the landing approach
<_QZ> u watch way too much tv
<tcn> ok, pilot gets blinded
<_QZ> see i know the takeoff and approach paths of planes here
09:10pm
<_QZ> and i wouldnt have the laser cross them cuz that would disrupt my connection
<tcn> only for a few milliseconds
<tcn> If you used microwave, the waves would just kinda flow around small obstacles
<_QZ> a maser?
<_QZ> that would be good
<tcn> I guess
<_QZ> now masers are dangerous
<_QZ> not lasers
<tcn> There's a band reserved for data at about 25 GHz.. that's good for T3 speeds
<_QZ> whats the bandwidth of it?
<tcn> And the dishes for 25 GHz are small, less than 1 foot I think
<tcn> There's also a new kinda of microwave antenna, it's flat with spiky things around it.. really tiny..
<tcn> You can get 10-20 mbps at 10 GHz, easily, without fancy modulation.. so figure at least 25-50 mbps at 25 GHz, 100-200 mbps with the kind of modulation high-speed modems use..
<_QZ> uhh, do u know anything about the fcc?
<_QZ> they designate channels, u dont get to pick how wide they are
<tcn> they're wide enough
09:20pm
<tcn> They have some open bands now, no license required.. around 800 mhz, 2 ghz and 5 ghz
<_QZ> what power level?
<tcn> enough
<tcn> It doesn't take much
<_QZ> enough isnt an answer :)
<tcn> Something like 100mW gets you 50 miles, and they allow more than that
<_QZ> uhh
<tcn> You could run these things off a few solar cells and batteries
<_QZ> 100 milliwatts?
<_QZ> that might get u 50 miles if we had no atmosphere
<_QZ> :)
<tcn> You're an electrical engineer, go build one
<_QZ> no im not
<tcn> didn't they teach you anything in college?
<_QZ> im an electronic engineer
<_QZ> big diff
<tcn> electronic, even better for this
<_QZ> electrical engineers work on house wiring and shit
<tcn> and 750kV lines ;)
<tcn> Allright, I gotta write some multitasking code
<_QZ> mine is done
<tcn> I know
<_QZ> brix is moving along
<_QZ> i got so much shit done yesterday
<_QZ> i just might make that april 1st release
<tcn> same here
<tcn> We're kicking ass
<tcn> Hey, did you look at that XCOM object format?
<_QZ> i woulda got more done today but i was in too much pain, jawjicular(sp?) pressure
<_QZ> i think i looked at xcom once
<tcn> I always get it confused with that UFO Defense game
<_QZ> haha
<tcn> blowing up aliens w/ rocket launchers.. that was cool
<tcn> XCOM might work for migrating objects between brix, retro, clementine, tunes, unios, etc.
<_QZ> where are the specs at
<_QZ> i doubt it would work in brix
09:30pm
<tcn> It ain't perfect, but he says it's open to changes..
<_QZ> nope xcom wont work in brix
<tcn> what's wrong with it?
<_QZ> it has sections
<_QZ> brix is against sections
<tcn> .text/.data/.bss?
<_QZ> ya
09:40pm
<_QZ> u get a single .text section in brix
<tcn> And if you need to allocate memory, you just ask for it, instead of using .bss?
<_QZ> ya
<tcn> hmmm
<tcn> Does it always put the variables after the code?
<_QZ> ya
<_QZ> er, what kinda variables?
<_QZ> u can have variables in the code
<_QZ> u place them on the stack or allocate blocks for them
<_QZ> the code is read only
<tcn> ok, so code & data go in separate pages?
<_QZ> depends
<_QZ> if its constant data (there are limits to that) then it can go in the code
<_QZ> strings and such are not counted as constant data
<tcn> ok
<_QZ> those muc be placed in data objects so they can be modifed by the user (for foreign language support or just fucking around)
<_QZ> s/muc/must
<tcn> what about the message passing scheme.. how's that work?
09:50pm
<_QZ> depends on what kinda message passing u want
<_QZ> sending kernel messages just starts up threads
<_QZ> if u want 2 threads inside an object to communicate then u can create a memory block and use it like shared memory
<_QZ> u can use events to wake threads waiting on data, or use semaphores to force threads to wait on data
<_QZ> but all that has to be designed into the object layout
<tcn> ok, doesn't sound too different from what I have in mind.. it would be nice if the objects are portable across all our new OS's..
<_QZ> brix code objects are not portable at all
<_QZ> even among brix machines
<_QZ> u send the source not the code
<tcn> that works.
<tcn> Are you using Forth for everything, or what?
<_QZ> no
<_QZ> its like forth/c
<tcn> like a HP-48?
<_QZ> no
<tcn> heh
<_QZ> it has a dynamic syntax
<tcn> you mean it can be infix or postfix?
<_QZ> yes and the syntax can chane from line to line
10:00pm
<_QZ> it uses syntax plug-in modules
<tcn> allright, cool.
<_QZ> so u can add yer own syntax
<tcn> You need LISP syntax too
<_QZ> x=a+b
<_QZ> x equals a plus b
<_QZ> and the nice thing is that u dont need all those syntax modules on yer end to compile it
<_QZ> cuz it strips away the syntax when it builds the source object
<tcn> oh, it converts it all to RPN or something?
<_QZ> no
<_QZ> it turns it into a bytecode
<_QZ> when it enters yer machine the compiler turns it into a machine code object
<tcn> like ML
<_QZ> i dont know what ML is
<tcn> http://ocaml.inria.fr
10:10pm
<_QZ> ugh, i have no dns for that
<tcn> oh, it's caml.inria.fr
<_QZ> much better :)
<tcn> I've tried it a little.. so far, so good..
<tcn> It seems like LISP with C-like syntax
<_QZ> arent they violating some trademarks there? :)
<tcn> haha
<tcn> they don't give a fuck, they're french
<_QZ> so
<_QZ> im sure if the makers of camel smokes bitched then something would get done
<tcn> it's free advertising
<_QZ> the french would have to roll their own :)
<_QZ> and smoke their own too :)
<tcn> maybe caml light programmers who smoke will buy camels :)
<_QZ> let euro = new Euro.c;;
<_QZ> what the flip!!
<_QZ> let?? ;;??
<_QZ> are those optional?
<_QZ> oh my god
<_QZ> this looks almost like what brix will look like
<tcn> and tunes
<tcn> that's where I found out about ML
10:20pm
<tcn> well, gotta go
<_QZ> cya
<tcn> later.
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<^lilo> hi....has anyone seen Fare?
10:40pm
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<lar1> Hey
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